In this exclusive interview, Bill Wilson welcomes authors Phillip Robinson and Ron Hammer to discuss their groundbreaking book, Forgiveness in the First Degree. The duo breaks down the core philosophy of their work, explaining why forgiveness is often the most difficult—yet most necessary—action a human being can take.

Throughout the episode, we examine the real-life applications of the "First Degree" mindset. From navigating difficult family dynamics to healing after major life tragedies, Phillip and Ron provide a roadmap for anyone feeling stuck in the cycle of anger. You’ll learn how they moved from pain to purpose and how you can apply these lessons to your own life today.